ZanneChayotte |

3 days ago

An outcry and a subject for improvement.
Because as it stands, planning penos (Left, Centre, Right) is pointless.
Just look at the session I've just had.
I got bored looking for my opponent's last peno session.
Banking on the fact that he hadn't changed since then (that was last season), I managed to get my keeper to dive to the right side EVERY TIME. (I told myself that if he'd ever changed anything, I'd score at least 2)

So the bottom line is that there's no point in planning penos.
Why can't we do a binary thing where if we dive on the right side we stop it? Should there be a bit of analysis and psychology like in a chifoumi?
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Drezzo35 |

3 days ago

It's just common sense and logic
the point of view of the goalkeeper and the shooter are opposite, so if you shoot to the right, the goalkeeper has to dive to the left to stop it, nothing abnormal and it's always been that way


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Skyz |

3 days ago

It's mainly the cut format that needs improving, as it doesn't look like much given the number of carrots every season.

There's no meritocracy, just chance, you can get knocked out with 3xG and others will get through all the rounds with 0.4xG,


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Demi-cerveau |

3 days ago

No better. You systematically dived to the right when you should have dived to the left, and vice versa.


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Skyz |

3 days ago

Demi-cerveau: Pas mieux que Drezzo. Tu as systématiquement plongé à droite quand il fallait plonger à gauche, et inversement.

Tiens, Skyz vient de perdre un de ses deux matchs de la saison, la soirée va être difficile ...

(3 carrots in a row, including 2 that eliminated in the cup by overpowering their opponents)


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ZanneChayotte |

3 days ago

Alala fuck is that how you're supposed to read this board?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now I understand why I always lose to the penos...

Honestly for me this reading is not logical at all but I think there are different logics 😅

I'll know for the next few years!
Thanks


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OMstar83 |

3 days ago

ZanneChayotte: Alala putain c'est comme ça qu'il faut lire ce tableau ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Je comprends pourquoi je perds toujours au penos...

Franchement pour moi cette lecture n'est pas du tout logique mais je pense qu'il y a différentes logiques 😅

Je le saurai pour les prochaines années !
Merci ;)

Yes, it works like tactics in a match after all. You defend on the left if the guy is pounding you on the right. The same goes for TABs :p


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Drezzo35 |

3 days ago

ZanneChayotte: Alala putain c'est comme ça qu'il faut lire ce tableau ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Je comprends pourquoi je perds toujours au penos...

Franchement pour moi cette lecture n'est pas du tout logique mais je pense qu'il y a différentes logiques 😅

Je le saurai pour les prochaines années !
Merci ;)

On the other hand, watching your opponent's last tab session is a good strategy 👍 well, it's a shame you didn't have the right information because otherwise you would have won that tab session


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artemis66 |

3 days ago

Skyz: C’est surtout le format coupe qu’il faut ameliorer, en l’etat ca ne ressemble à rien vu le nombre de carottes chaque saisons.

Aucune meritocratie juste du hasard, tu peux te faire eliminer avec 3xG et d’autres vont passer tous les tours avec 0.4xG,

It's not a cup match story, it's a VF story. And just like in real life, you can hit the net 30 times and not score a single goal.
Welcome to the club for the carrot. Good player sales too.


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Skyz |

3 days ago

artemis66: C’est pas une histoire de match de coupe ça c’est une histoire de VF. Et comme en vrai tu peux taper 30 fois au buts et ne pas en planter 1.
Bienvenu au club pour la carotte. Bonne vente de joueurs également.

In real life, it's not bad luck, it's the talent to finish an opportunity.
On VF = lottery


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artemis66 |

3 days ago

Skyz: Dans la réalité c'est pas un manque de chance, c'est du talent de finir une occasion.
Sur VF = loterie

Yes, so the problem is VF ^^
But cup matches are punishing just like in real life, you miss your match and you're out of the competition


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Skyz |

3 days ago

artemis66: Oui donc le problème est bien VF ^^
Mais les matchs de coupe sont punitifs tout comme en vrai, tu passes à côté de ton match tu sors de la compétition

On VF you can roll over your opponent and get out, but when you put 2xG on VF you never miss your match


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Drezzo35 |

3 days ago

Skyz: Justement sur VF tu peux rouler sur ton adversaire et sortir, à aucun moment quand tu mets 2xG sur VF tu passes à côté de ton match

Tactically maybe not, but your players are


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Skyz |

3 days ago

Drezzo35: Tactiquement peut être pas , mais tes joueurs oui

Allez par contre rien a voir avec le post donc parler de ça ailleurs svp 😘

How do I get them to improve their finishing for the next few games?


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Unagi |

3 days ago

Skyz: Comment je dois faire pour qu’ils s’ameliorent en finition pour les prochains matchs?

No need, you'll get a positive rebalancing


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Magpie |

2 days ago

ZanneChayotte: Alala putain c'est comme ça qu'il faut lire ce tableau ?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Je comprends pourquoi je perds toujours au penos...

Franchement pour moi cette lecture n'est pas du tout logique mais je pense qu'il y a différentes logiques 😅

Je le saurai pour les prochaines années !
Merci ;)

But it was in the manual, under "Matches", at the very end...
But you have to make the effort to read 🙂


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Skyz |

2 days ago

Unagi: Pas besoin tu vas avoir un rééquilibrage positif

It's about time, even if others need it a lot more than I do so they can finally win titles 😂


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kiki-sainté |

2 days ago

Le projet d'amélioration par contre pourrait t'on mettre jusqu'au 10 ème tireurs car la 5 et puis c'est tout j'ai gagné 6a5 et 7a6 aux penaltys mais qui a tiré (les supporters?) et quel côté? mystère


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Blagoje Vidinic |

2 days ago

After the 5th shooter, it's random and the side is indicated in the summary as the first 5.


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kiki-sainté |

2 days ago

Blagoje Vidinic: Après le 5e tireur, c'est aléatoire et le côté est indiqué dans le résumé comme les 5 premiers.

Yes, but you don't choose for a management game that doesn't make sense 🙂


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OMstar83 |

2 days ago

Skyz: Il serait temps effectivement, même si d'autres en auraient bien plus besoin que moi pour pouvoir enfin gagner des titres 😂

Oh that's teasing. Be careful, if you hang around old Marcus you'll become as bitter as he is :D


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Blagoje Vidinic |

2 days ago

kiki-sainté: Oui mais on ne choisit pas pour un jeu de gestion pas logique 🙂
Se faire éliminer sans pouvoir faire quelque chose c est dure à encaisser

Even if you have the impression that you have a choice, it's still random because it's binary and all the keeper has to do is be on the right side to stop the shot and the shooters all hit the target


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Hydilik |

2 days ago

On the other hand, if we leave the squares empty, do we agree that it's random?

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myforsans |

2 days ago

Well, using your opponent's last session and banking on the fact that he didn't change anything isn't necessarily a good plan.
Because if he took his penalties in random mode, you've got him on the ropes 😀😀😀😀.
I think the best way would be to have sudden-death overtime that stops when the first goal is scored, knowing that the loss of physicality and xp gains would be neutralised.


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Fidel BBTG |

2 days ago

Magpie: C'était pourtant marqué dans le manuel, rubrique "Matchs", tout à la fin...
Mais faut faire l'effort de lire 🙂

What worries me**if the shooter plays to the right I choose the left to stop him... I've automatically caught him... Shouldn't there be a better option? The keeper can go to the side and may not actually stop it..


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Magpie |

2 days ago

Yes.
But let's not forget that this is a browser game. Not an online FIFA.
Sure, there's always room for improvement, but let's just say it's a simple way of 'ending' a draw.
Let's just say it could just as easily be automatically ended by a random TAB session.
This possibility of 'choosing' is offered to us. Frankly, I think it's not bad at all.

Having said that, I'd also personally appreciate it if decisions were made on the pitch more often. The comments I've read about the many ties in the UEFA Champions League, even between attacking teams, are not illegitimate.

But in the meantime, having the option of personalising the TAB session is really not a bad thing. Making it more complex, well.... and then, among the improvements to the game, would that really be the priority?


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Marcus Aurelius |

2 days ago

OMstar83: Oh c'est taquin ça. Fais attention, à force de côtoyer ce vieux Marcus, tu vas devenir aigri comme lui :D

Please make your point.


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Blagoje Vidinic |

2 days ago

Hydilik: Par contre si on laisse les cases vident on est d'accord que c'est aléatoire ?

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Absolutely.


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myforsans |

2 days ago

Magpie: Oui.
Mais n'oublions pas que nous sommes sur un jeu de navigateur. Pas un FIFA en ligne.
Certes, ça peut toujours être amélioré, mais disons que c'est simplement une manière de "clore" un match nul.
Disons que ça pourrait tout autant être automatiquement cloturé par une séance de TAB aléatoire.
Cette possibilité de "choisir" nous est offerte. Franchement c'est pas mal déjà, je trouve.

Cela dit, j'apprécierais aussi, personnellement, que la décision se fasse sur le terrain plus

If you think carefully, you'll see that the choice of location for the penalty shoot-out has absolutely no impact on the fact that it's 100% random,....... unless you can read your opponent's mind from a distance.

Anyone who thinks it's smarter to score G rather than D or rather than C on the 1st or xth penalty shoot-out and that they've won because of it is completely mistaken.

I put "no instructions" and I don't feel like I'm winning or losing as often as I used to.

The fact that you can choose your shooting position or the side of your stop is pure gimmickry and pure window dressing designed to give the illusion that it's not 100% random.
Everyone's free to think what they like, and thanks to this 'innovation' of choosing the side, they've got a stake in randomness :) :)


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Magpie |

2 days ago

myforsans: Si tu réfléchis bien, tu verras que le choix de l'endroit des tirs aux buts n'a strictement aucun impact sur le fait que ça reste du 100 % aléatoire,.......à moins de savoir lire à distance dans les pensées de son adversaire.

Ceux qui pensent être plus malins d'inscrire G plutôt que D ou plutôt que C sur le 1er ou bien le xième tir aux but et qu'ils ont gagné grâce à cela se trompent totalement.

Moi je mets "aucune consigne" et j'ai pas l'impression que je gagne ou que je perds m

If you think about it carefully, you'll see that it can be very important against an opponent who never changes his series...
So it's far from a gimmick in that respect...
But you do as you please.
After that, yes, faced with randomness, it does become a fetish, and a feeling. Everyone has their own way of making their own luck. In any case, I think this gadget is nice, that's what I say. That's all I'm saying


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Marcus Aurelius |

2 days ago

Magpie: Si tu réfléchis bien, tu verras que ça peut avoir son importance face a un adversaire qui ne change jamais sa série...
On est donc loin du gadget sur ce plan là...
Mais tu fais bien comme tu veux.
Après oui, face à de l'aléatoire, en effet ça devient du fétichisme, et du feeling. Chacun ses trucs pour provoquer sa chance. En tout cas, ce gadget est sympa je trouve, c'est ce que je dis. Rien de plus

The only time it can actually be useful


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Demi-cerveau |

2 days ago

Alternatively, if you really don't like the penalty shoot-out, we can do it by seniority: the oldest player wins in the event of a draw. At least there'll be more randomness.


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Blagoje Vidinic |

2 days ago

Demi-cerveau: Sinon, si vraiment la séance de tirs aux buts vous débecte, on a qu'à le faire à l'ancienneté : le plus ancien est vainqueur en cas de match nul. Au moins il y aura plus d'aléatoire.

What a great idea! 😁


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michbou |

2 days ago

I'm the oldest so I always win 😅


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Fougch |

2 days ago

Magpie: Si tu réfléchis bien, tu verras que ça peut avoir son importance face a un adversaire qui ne change jamais sa série...
On est donc loin du gadget sur ce plan là...
Mais tu fais bien comme tu veux.
Après oui, face à de l'aléatoire, en effet ça devient du fétichisme, et du feeling. Chacun ses trucs pour provoquer sa chance. En tout cas, ce gadget est sympa je trouve, c'est ce que je dis. Rien de plus

I'll go even further. I assume that my opponent systematically changes his session. And that he changes it all. I'm down to a 50-50 chance for each shot and each save.

Fougch FC 1 - Probabilities 0


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Demi-cerveau |

2 days ago

michbou: C'est moi le plus vieux donc je gagne toujours 😅

Michbou, any comments on your forthcoming Champions League victory?


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michbou |

2 days ago

No worries 😊 I'll earn the right to start again next season 😅😅


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OMstar83 |

2 days ago

Marcus Aurelius: Je t’en prie, argumente ton propos.

No.


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Djaiss |

2 days ago

I vote for this proposal...
#match?mid=6213978


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